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Therapeutic Partners Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Gail Zarren, Young Audiences of MA
34:27
Hi Everyone! Gail Zarren, Young Audiences of MA
Lauren McCabe BASB
37:16
Social emotional learning in the context of youth development is often universal, tier 1 strategy, and not an intervention or therapeutic service. It would be great to hear someone address that.
1- Nicole Yongue/ BOS
37:31
^^^^
Rebekah Roulier, LMHC (she/her/hers) - Doc Wayne
38:02
What is the definition of supervised by?
Jamie (she/her), Rehearsal for Life
38:05
Thanks Lauren, second that question and hope that it will be addressed.
Patricia McGuiness
38:10
Echo Lauren!
Marisol Ayala
38:20
Echo Lauren as well!
Stephanie Fabro
38:20
Thanks Lauren, also appreciate that
Ashley Ciccarelli
40:09
Will the link for the survey be shared in the chat or via email?
Haris Kuljancic
40:27
We have a social worker on staff that supports teachers and students with classroom/ behavior management and helps find community resources for families to take advantage of. Would this qualify as counseling?
Yota Gikas
40:52
Yota Gikas- Associate VP of Community Based Programs at Italian Home for Children
John Anderson, Franklin Park Zoo
41:37
John Anderson, Franklin Park Zoo
Margaret Farmer
43:08
Letter announcing suspension of therapeutic programming: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XItqutF61nge4LwQkThdE_ZV4f3rlP0ybJGCF5PsDD0/edit
etolkin
43:08
If your organization doesn't provide any kind of mental health, counseling or therapeutic services, do we need to complete the survey? For example, we provide dental care.
Robert Hendricks- He is Me Institute
43:27
How should we plan for the summer in the meantime? Plan as normal or hold off for approval?
Margaret Farmer
44:40
I will share the link to the survey in just a few minutes, I want to get through a few questions first.
Emmy Porto
46:12
Is this only for agencies that are "contracted" to provide services to BPS?
Melissa Nystedt (she/her), Big Sister Boston
47:04
I have a question about our organization, as we provide non-therapeutic, mentoring programs (Big Sister Boston) via (vetted and trained) volunteers in the community who have staff supporting them --- and wondering if you are asking us to pause their connections/interactions for the summer?
Lauren McCabe BASB
47:11
Will the survey help with getting some written, direct descriptions of what BPS wants programs to halt/pause doing? Thanks for all this clarification! I work with a large number of partners on this call on social and emotional learning practices and want to be 100% sure I know what is allowed. (And would love to be involved in the survey process if you need extra support!)
Elle Davis
48:11
Clarification: is the ask that all programs complete the survey, and if your program has an SEL component that you do not have any SEL component over the summer and wait until September for guidelines?
Lauren McCabe BASB
48:31
Great clarifying question Elle
Margaret Farmer
48:33
Link to the Survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10BbXLmrxdmVFrCoJ0sIHyJ2xm9DsCcxyTnj4SrhxTr8/edit
Melissa Nystedt (she/her), Big Sister Boston
49:11
thank you for clarity, Monica. that answered my question!
Lauren McCabe BASB
49:19
Thanks Monica!
Melissa Nystedt (she/her), Big Sister Boston
49:21
so no pause, but conduct the review
Melissa Nystedt (she/her), Big Sister Boston
50:32
can you please also clarify if the parent permission by July 9th is also related only to mental health counseling programs?
Lauren McCabe BASB
51:24
Ah okay, thank you
Emmy Porto
51:37
Not sure if my question was answered, is the request to pause services only framed for those services "contracted" with BPS?
John Anderson, Franklin Park Zoo
52:21
I'm so sorry that I need to jump off. I'll complete the survey.
Ms. Hilary
52:34
Hi thank you for this meeting.
Monica Roberts
52:44
All services - not just contracted please.
Monica Roberts
52:54
Sorry - all program types, not just contracted.
Carolyn Navikonis
53:45
In looking over the survey, what is an example of an “SEL curriculum” that a partner might name?
Gregory Blaize
54:25
Does BPS have any future plans to supplement this pending license / certification prerequisite for community partners?
Yota Gikas
54:30
If we have clinicians seeing clients over the summer in the community or their homes over the summer, is that considered a "summer program"?
Kieran Collier
54:39
Is BPS able to provide language for orgs to use w/r/t the parental permission?
Lauren McCabe BASB
54:58
Examples of SEL curriculum could include Second Step, Open Circle, etc. There aren’t many geared towards OST.
Kristan Bagley Jones
55:31
Margaret is there a template you want us to use with parents knowing about programs? Andria, do our standard consents and releases we do annually cover us or is there something else we need to do?
Robert Hendricks- He is Me Institute
56:07
Would we have to follow the same process if we train school-based staff to implement programming instead of us doing it directly?
Yota Gikas
57:55
Ok thanks Andria
Carolyn Navikonis
57:56
On the survey
Lynne Sullivan
58:18
Would a licensed school guidance counselor or adjustment counselor be considered licensed staff?
Carolyn Navikonis
59:01
On the survey, the question “What level of credentialing do you consider minimal to supervise SEL activities?” (and others like it)… what does “SEL activities” mean?
1- Nicole Yongue/ BOS
59:33
Are school leaders aware of this change? Or do we need to communicate with them that we will be shifting our services next week?
Yoeli CR (She/Ella)
59:35
Could I get the meeting agenda again, please?
Margaret Farmer
01:00:45
Meeting Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XItqutF61nge4LwQkThdE_ZV4f3rlP0ybJGCF5PsDD0/edit
Lauren McCabe BASB
01:01:34
I’m struggling to find the definition of therapeutic model if anyone could help highlight that for me in the letter
Dani Fearon
01:02:00
What is considered ‘personal information’ shared in circle? Would this be anything shared, for example I often do a check in of rose/thorn of your day & youth can opt to pass if they don’t want to share. I am license eligible LMHC supervised by LICSW
Lauren McCabe BASB
01:03:04
So both explicit SEL instruction and other SEL best practices are both encouraged to stop/halt?
Rebecca Kirk (she.her)
01:03:31
I'm looking through the survey. Our programming is performing arts learning during the school day and with the classroom teacher co-teaching (direct service) with our teaching artists. Arts programming is often implicitially working with SEL, but not explicitly. I'm happy to fill out the survey, but feel like many of the questions are hard to answer because they aren't entirely relent. How can arts organization partners be most helpful when filling out the survey?
Rebekah Roulier, LMHC (she/her/hers) - Doc Wayne
01:03:31
Where does CBHI’s TM program fall (mentoring supervised by a clinician and connect to hub services)?
Robert Hendricks- He is Me Institute
01:03:35
Same question, Lauren. I'm still unclear how to move forward for the summer...
Leilani (she/her)
01:04:09
Echoing Rebecca, that’s my exact question/sense/feeling
Monica Roberts
01:04:50
Only programs design to offer therapy, counseling and mental health support.
Reggie Jean
01:05:04
The parent letter is only needed if you are not suspending counseling services. Correct?
Lauren McCabe BASB
01:06:03
Yes, thank you.
Rebekah Roulier, LMHC (she/her/hers) - Doc Wayne
01:07:15
Thanks!
Haris Kuljancic
01:07:35
We have both a licensed Social Worker as well as a social work intern working towards her license. Would the intern be asked to pause?
Reggie Jean
01:08:03
We are not providing services
Lauren McCabe BASB
01:08:07
It feels like no one should be offering therapeutic and counseling services without a licensed professional in the first place
Monica Roberts
01:08:12
@Haris, generally interns are overseen by a licensed social worker, and as such they would not have to pause.
Haris Kuljancic
01:08:27
Thanks
Yoeli CR (She/Ella)
01:08:52
I agree, Lauren.
Haris Kuljancic
01:09:23
We also talked about the “Grey area” or what counseling actually means. If we don’t feel that we offer counseling services, do we have to send the letter home?
Haris Kuljancic
01:10:41
Yes
Lauren McCabe BASB
01:11:25
Thanks everyone for helping us understand
Dani Fearon
01:11:27
This has been very helpful! Thank you for great questions and answers
Danielle Davis
01:11:37
Link to the Survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10BbXLmrxdmVFrCoJ0sIHyJ2xm9DsCcxyTnj4SrhxTr8/edit
Melissa Nystedt (she/her), Big Sister Boston
01:11:37
if our permission slip meets the criteria, do we need to re do it? or just review with you all it is already good to go?
Kristan Bagley Jones
01:11:49
is there going to be a specific Release of Info that BPS asked Mental Health agencies did last fall? (we get our own but was asked to do this again
Yoeli CR (She/Ella)
01:13:38
Not sure if this was answered, but if our program does not end up meeting the criteria or licensing for situations that may arise during the summer, will we get support from BPS either for different staff or proper supervision?
Yoeli CR (She/Ella)
01:14:31
I will reach out offline.
Leilani (she/her)
01:14:37
Students often choose to divulge information with or without prompting that touch on trauma
Margaret Farmer
01:14:41
mfarmer2@bostonpublicschools.org
Leilani (she/her)
01:14:56
I think Yoeli may be asking how we can support those students without licensed staff ourselves
Reggie Jean
01:15:12
Good point Yoeli. Sometimes during classes or other activities.
Yoeli CR (She/Ella)
01:15:22
Those are some ways to phrase
Yoeli CR (She/Ella)
01:15:31
It's like a hard J sound btw
Leilani (she/her)
01:15:58
This arises often in art programs, for example, a dance or acting or painting class.
Gail Zarren, Young Audiences of MA
01:16:04
Any arts program with a teaching artist establishes a relationship with students. This relationship, along with the creation of art, can be considered “therapeutic” without actually providing conventional “therapy”. Is this situation being considered one that requires ongoing oversight by a licensed mental health practitioner?
Yoeli CR (She/Ella)
01:16:16
Thank you, Monica, That would help.
Monica Roberts
01:16:35
@Gail - no.
Reggie Jean
01:17:00
Glad this came up. As a staff we will refer so we maybe a list of resources to supplement what we do.
Dr. Andria Amador
01:17:10
You can also reach out to me with any mental health concerns at aamador@bostonpublicschools.org
Sara Sam
01:18:14
Thank you1